[NENA] FW: More on Barstow

[Chelsea Morning]

John,

I can't imagine that you are going to see the level of traffic that you
suggest.  Wyoming and Ventura, which sit on either side of Barstow are long
thoroughfares designed to handle larger volumes of traffic.  Much of the
increased traffic volume came with the widening of Wyoming and the
establishment of high density housing to the west of the road (something I
remember NENA agreeing to when the sector plan was developed). Since
Barstow's south end is at Harper, I can't see it ever being used as a major
corridor.  The majority of the traffic that we care about is likely to turn
on and off of Paseo.  Besides the landfill traffic that you mention, the
only destinations north of the arroyo are the elementary school and homes.
Given the low density construction north of our neighborhood, there just
aren't that many homes up there.  If trucks on the way to the landfill is
your real concern, then work with the city to post proper signage
establishing a prohibition on truck traffic.  If it hasn't already been put
in place, a traffic light at Barstow and Alameda might also reduce the
attractiveness of that route.

On the up side, putting the bridge in would provide easier access to the
elementary school for those of us with kids who go there.  As it currently
stands, Wyoming and Ventura are the only options for us, both of which, as
have noted have high traffic volumes.

Rick Craft
(currently in Springfield, Va; returning to Nor Este in July)

From: members-bounces at noreste.org [mailto:members-bounces at noreste.org]On
Behalf Of John Ingram
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:45 PM
To: Paul Grunwald; 'NENA'
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [NENA] FW: More on Barstow


  Hello to All,


  If you spoke to everyone whose property backs-up to Barstow, on both sides
of the street all the way to Paseo, and asked them why they don't want an
automobile bridge over the arroyo, they might explain their opposition. I'll
try to explain mine.

  Take a look at traffic issues on Wyoming north if you'd like to
contemplate how the future might be if there was an automobile bridge across
the arroyo at Barstow.

  If there was a bridge at the arroyo now, at the very least there would
have been semi-trucks running back and forth emptying the landfill at the
end of Barstow north. Imagine that.

  In my opinion, the increased traffic on Barstow with a bridge across the
arroyo would be a significant negative for our neighborhoods.

  I live one street west of Barstow. I can't imagine how awful it would be
to have the increased traffic that would result from an automobile bridge.
Those whose back yards face Barstow would have a lot more problems than me.

  I will continue to organize against a bridge across the arroyo because of
the potential problems associated with back-and-forth increased traffic
(especially at the corner of Barstow and Alameda) all along Barstow --- past
Desert Ridge Middle School --- to Paseo.

  For what's it worth, as someone who build a house in the neighborhood in
1991, that's my position.

  John


  Paul Grunwald <pgrunwald at comcast.net> wrote:



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    From: Maxon Stuart B Contractor AFOTEC/A3Z
[mailto:Stuart.Maxon at afotec.af.mil]
    Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:54 AM
    To: Paul Grunwald
    Subject:

    I have lived on the corner of Betty Sabo and Barstow for the past 8
years (8324 Eagle Rock)...I think we are confusing the roadblock on Betty
Sabo with the roadblock at Barstow and the arroyo...About 5 years ago a
petition went through the Nor Este neighborhood to block Betty Sabo BECAUSE
of the roadblock on the Barstow arroyo...The petition was executed by my
former neighbors Paul and Barbara Hewitt...I have possession of this
petition...The roadblock on the arroyo is simply there because a bridge was
never installed and it was too steep and deep to allow a ford...I am not
aware of any agenda, petition or initiative to block the Barstow arroyo
bridge...I understand that city planners allocated funds in 07 or 08 to
design the bridge and that a possible installation will occur sometime in 09
or 10 if funded by the city.  Nor Este residents signed the near unanimous
petition to close Betty Sabo UNTIL the bridge is built, because the arroyo
roadblock was funneling all Barstow traffic through our
neighborhood...According to the petition, the Betty Sabo roadblock will be
removed when the Barstow arroyo bridge is built...Personally, I look forward
to that day...
    //signed//
    Stu Maxon, Contractor
    HQ AFOTEC / A3Z
    (505) 846-9928 / (DSN) 246-9928
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