[NENA] FW: More on Barstow

Fri Mar 7 20:48:16 CST 2008

Not really wishing to increase spam but just a few points:

1) In addition to the increased traffic, the suggested "improvement"  
would split the park/trail along the Arroyo, making walking/running/ 
biking less pleasant and more dangerous for children.

2) School buses handle traffic well to the schools along Barstow, and  
reduce traffic in general. We pay taxes to run the school buses, I  
personally don't want tax money to go to what I view as unnecessary  
bridges. In addition, traffic lights may slow down not only trucks,  
but residents too.

3)Since it seems to be quite a debated issue, maybe the city (or NENA)  
should survey the residents, and require a good majority (75%?) to  
change the status quo.

Dr. Dobrina Teifel
resident,  R C Gorman

On Mar 7, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Chelsea Morning wrote:

> John,
>
> I can't imagine that you are going to see the level of traffic that  
> you suggest.  Wyoming and Ventura, which sit on either side of  
> Barstow are long thoroughfares designed to handle larger volumes of  
> traffic.  Much of the increased traffic volume came with the  
> widening of Wyoming and the establishment of high density housing to  
> the west of the road (something I remember NENA agreeing to when the  
> sector plan was developed). Since Barstow's south end is at Harper,  
> I can't see it ever being used as a major corridor.  The majority of  
> the traffic that we care about is likely to turn on and off of  
> Paseo.  Besides the landfill traffic that you mention, the only  
> destinations north of the arroyo are the elementary school and  
> homes.  Given the low density construction north of our  
> neighborhood, there just aren't that many homes up there.  If trucks  
> on the way to the landfill is your real concern, then work with the  
> city to post proper signage establishing a prohibition on truck  
> traffic.  If it hasn't already been put in place, a traffic light at  
> Barstow and Alameda might also reduce the attractiveness of that  
> route.
>
> On the up side, putting the bridge in would provide easier access to  
> the elementary school for those of us with kids who go there.  As it  
> currently stands, Wyoming and Ventura are the only options for us,  
> both of which, as have noted have high traffic volumes.
>
> Rick Craft
> (currently in Springfield, Va; returning to Nor Este in July)
>
> From: members-bounces at noreste.org [mailto:members- 
> bounces at noreste.org]On Behalf Of John Ingram
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 2:45 PM
> To: Paul Grunwald; 'NENA'
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [NENA] FW: More on Barstow
>
> Hello to All,
>
> If you spoke to everyone whose property backs-up to Barstow, on both  
> sides of the street all the way to Paseo, and asked them why they  
> don't want an automobile bridge over the arroyo, they might explain  
> their opposition. I'll try to explain mine.
>
> Take a look at traffic issues on Wyoming north if you'd like to  
> contemplate how the future might be if there was an automobile  
> bridge across the arroyo at Barstow.
>
> If there was a bridge at the arroyo now, at the very least there  
> would have been semi-trucks running back and forth emptying the  
> landfill at the end of Barstow north. Imagine that.
>
> In my opinion, the increased traffic on Barstow with a bridge across  
> the arroyo would be a significant negative for our neighborhoods.
>
> I live one street west of Barstow. I can't imagine how awful it  
> would be to have the increased traffic that would result from an  
> automobile bridge. Those whose back yards face Barstow would have a  
> lot more problems than me.
>
> I will continue to organize against a bridge across the arroyo  
> because of the potential problems associated with back-and-forth  
> increased traffic (especially at the corner of Barstow and Alameda)  
> all along Barstow --- past Desert Ridge Middle School --- to Paseo.
>
> For what's it worth, as someone who build a house in the  
> neighborhood in 1991, that's my position.
>
> John
>
>
> Paul Grunwald <pgrunwald at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Maxon Stuart B Contractor AFOTEC/A3Z [mailto:Stuart.Maxon at afotec.af.mil 
> ]
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:54 AM
> To: Paul Grunwald
> Subject:
>
> I have lived on the corner of Betty Sabo and Barstow for the past 8  
> years (8324 Eagle Rock)...I think we are confusing the roadblock on  
> Betty Sabo with the roadblock at Barstow and the arroyo...About 5  
> years ago a petition went through the Nor Este neighborhood to block  
> Betty Sabo BECAUSE of the roadblock on the Barstow arroyo...The  
> petition was executed by my former neighbors Paul and Barbara  
> Hewitt...I have possession of this petition...The roadblock on the  
> arroyo is simply there because a bridge was never installed and it  
> was too steep and deep to allow a ford...I am not aware of any  
> agenda, petition or initiative to block the Barstow arroyo  
> bridge...I understand that city planners allocated funds in 07 or 08  
> to design the bridge and that a possible installation will occur  
> sometime in 09 or 10 if funded by the city.  Nor Este residents  
> signed the near unanimous petition to close Betty Sabo UNTIL the  
> bridge is built, because the arroyo roadblock was funneling all  
> Barstow traffic through our neighborhood...According to the  
> petition, the Betty Sabo roadblock will be removed when the Barstow  
> arroyo bridge is built...Personally, I look forward to that day...
> //signed//
> Stu Maxon, Contractor
> HQ AFOTEC / A3Z
> (505) 846-9928 / (DSN) 246-9928
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