[NENA] FW: More on Barstow
Trujeque, Diana L.
DTrujeque at cabq.gov
Mon Mar 17 15:24:58 CDT 2008
Councilor Winter is on this email list and we have been reading all the
emails. We have requested that the Department of Municipal Development
provide us with more information, but after one week, we still have not
received anything from them. I will let you know as quickly as we do.
Thank you for your patience.
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From: members-bounces at noreste.org [mailto:members-bounces at noreste.org]
On Behalf Of John Ingram
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:21 PM
To: Don Silva; Roger Shrouf; Carla Irwin
Cc: 'NENA'
Subject: Re: [NENA] FW: More on Barstow
Don, that would be on the south side of arroyo at Barstow, so there is
no need to build bridge.
Let's keep in mind that the city will not push to build a bridge because
we all oppose it.
I would like to know if our city councilor Brad Winter is on this email
list.....I think he should be reading these emails so that he gets the
fact that an overwhelming majority of us oppose building this bridge.
Can anyone assure me that Brad is reading our emails?
Don Silva <dgsilva01 at msn.com> wrote:
All,
I just came upon an article in Business Weekly about a
church-office park development going in between Barstow and Ventura and
Alameda and Oakland. Would seem to me that would push the city into
opening Barstow with the bridge everyone has been talking about. Maybe
this is old news to you all but it was news to me!
Don Silva
EDRTHOA
----- Original Message -----
From: John Ingram <mailto:ingram1ja at yahoo.com>
To: Roger Shrouf <mailto:rogershrouf at hotmail.com> ;
Carla Irwin <mailto:nmirwin at earthlink.net>
Cc: 'NENA' <mailto:members at noreste.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NENA] FW: More on Barstow
Thanks to Roger for reminding me about these existing
and growing problems associated with Barstow south of Alameda.
Roger Shrouf <rogershrouf at hotmail.com> wrote:
To all concerned - no one seems to be
considering the existing school traffic situation on Barstow. There is
already considerable school rush hour traffic from La Cueva. Desert
Ridge is an even greater concern. There are many parents parking on
Barstow and in the surrounding neighborhoods in the morning and
afternoon - with many kids crossing Barstow going to and from their
cars. In addition, there are many kids who cross Barstow when they walk
to school from nearby homes.
Obviously, adding the bridge will increase the
through traffic on an already busy Barstow - and increase the risk to
our kids. When planning our neighborhood, we should keep the safety as
a primary concern.
Roger Shrouf
> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:29:03 -0700
> From: nmirwin at earthlink.net
> To: ingram1ja at yahoo.com
> CC: members at noreste.org
> Subject: Re: [NENA] FW: More on Barstow
>
> John, I live in Vineyard Estates #3 and I
agree with everything you
> have said in describing the situation about
Barstow and not building
> the bridge to allow access the go north. This
area has only grown more
> traffic congested and will continue to do so.
>
>
> Carla
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Ingram wrote:
> > Rick,
> > I appreciate your thoughts. However, I
respectfully disagree.
> >
> > The traffic on Barstow north of Paseo would
be worse than Ventura
> > north and, perhaps, comparable to the
negative issues we have on
> > Wyoming north.
> >
> > I don't know how much time you've spent
walking on Barstow, north of
> > the arroyo. My partner and I walk it alot.
It's relatively flat,
> > straight with little or no natural barriers
which would hamper heavy,
> > fast traffic flow. Just the opposite from
streets like Ventura and
> > Wyoming.
> >
> > Other streets east and parallel to Barstow,
and to some extent west
> > (Wyoming), are hilly, up and down,
narrow----difficult to speed on, etc.
> >
> > If a bridge were to be built (with our tax
money) across the arroyo at
> > Barstow, then we would be opening the gates
---- dumping in and out
> > of Paseo.
> >
> > If you're concerned about access to North
Star Elementary, there are
> > plenty of east-west streets which provide
access. We don't need
> > another north-south major artery leading to
Paseo.
> >
> > Also, take a look at the traffic flow on
Barstow, south of Paseo. It's
> > a negative, an increasing problem. That's
what would happen to
> > Barstow, north of Paseo with a bridge across
the arroyo.
> >
> > The only thing preventing Barstow from
becoming a major artery leading
> > to Paseo is the lack of a bridge at the
arroyo.
> >
> > I hope my neighbors are paying attention.
There are plans to build
> > this bridge and there are people looking for
money to do it. For the
> > most part, these are folks who don't live up
here, and therefore don't
> > have our interests at heart. Their job is to
ensure that these arroyos
> > are paved, and these streets are opened for
developer's interests.
> > And, they're pushing this bridge before we
get a chance to organize
> > and stop it.
> >
> > I hope Brad Winter is reading these emails.
I'd like him to comment.
> > What can he do to help us stop this bridge?
> >
> > John
> >
> > P.S. Comment for NorEste Neighborhood Assoc.
membership committee -
> > the best way to increase membership is to
organize around an issue,
> > like this bridge thing. Let's go
door-to-door on a nice weekend and
> > recruit new members.
> >
> > */Chelsea Morning <chelsea at cybermesa.com>/*
wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I can't imagine that you are going to see
the level of traffic
> > that you suggest. Wyoming and Ventura, which
sit on either side
> > of Barstow are long thoroughfares designed
to handle larger
> > volumes of traffic. Much of the increased
traffic volume came
> > with the widening of Wyoming and the
establishment of high density
> > housing to the west of the road (something I
remember NENA
> > agreeing to when the sector plan was
developed). Since Barstow's
> > south end is at Harper, I can't see it ever
being used as a major
> > corridor. The majority of the traffic that
we care about is
> > likely to turn on and off of Paseo. Besides
the landfill traffic
> > that you mention, the only destinations
north of the arroyo are
> > the elementary school and homes. Given the
low density
> > construction north of our neighborhood,
there just aren't that
> > many homes up there. If trucks on the way to
the landfill is your
> > real concern, then work with the city to
post proper signage
> > establishing a prohibition on truck traffic.
If it hasn't already
> > been put in place, a traffic light at
Barstow and Alameda might
> > also reduce the attractiveness of that
route.
> >
> > On the up side, putting the bridge in would
provide easier access
> > to the elementary school for those of us
with kids who go there.
> > As it currently stands, Wyoming and Ventura
are the only options
> > for us, both of which, as have noted have
high traffic volumes.
> >
> > Rick Craft
> > (currently in Springfield, Va; returning to
Nor Este in July)
> >
> > *From:* members-bounces at noreste.org
> > [mailto:members-bounces at noreste.org]*On
Behalf Of *John Ingram
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 07, 2008 2:45 PM
> > *To:* Paul Grunwald; 'NENA'
> > *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [NENA] FW:
More on Barstow
> >
> > Hello to All,
> >
> > If you spoke to everyone whose property
backs-up to Barstow,
> > on both sides of the street all the way to
Paseo, and asked
> > them why they don't want an automobile
bridge over the arroyo,
> > they might explain their opposition. I'll
try to explain mine.
> >
> > Take a look at traffic issues on Wyoming
north if you'd like
> > to contemplate how the future might be if
there was an
> > automobile bridge across the arroyo at
Barstow.
> >
> > If there was a bridge at the arroyo now, at
the very least
> > there would have been semi-trucks running
back and forth
> > emptying the landfill at the end of Barstow
north. Imagine that.
> >
> > In my opinion, the increased traffic on
Barstow with a bridge
> > across the arroyo would be a significant
negative for our
> > neighborhoods.
> >
> > I live one street west of Barstow. I can't
imagine how awful
> > it would be to have the increased traffic
that would result
> > from an automobile bridge. Those whose back
yards face Barstow
> > would have a lot more problems than me.
> >
> > I will continue to organize against a bridge
across the arroyo
> > because of the potential problems associated
with
> > back-and-forth increased traffic (especially
at the corner of
> > Barstow and Alameda) all along Barstow ---
past Desert
> > Ridge Middle School --- to Paseo.
> >
> > For what's it worth, as someone who build a
house in the
> > neighborhood in 1991, that's my position.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > */Paul Grunwald <pgrunwald at comcast.net>/*
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > *From:* Maxon Stuart B Contractor AFOTEC/A3Z
> > [mailto:Stuart.Maxon at afotec.af.mil]
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 07, 2008 8:54 AM
> > *To:* Paul Grunwald
> > *Subject:*
> >
> > I have lived on the corner of Betty Sabo and
Barstow for
> > the past 8 years (8324 Eagle Rock)...I think
we are
> > confusing the roadblock on Betty Sabo with
the roadblock
> > at Barstow and the arroyo...About 5 years
ago a petition
> > went through the Nor Este neighborhood to
block Betty Sabo
> > BECAUSE of the roadblock on the Barstow
arroyo...The
> > petition was executed by my former neighbors
Paul and
> > Barbara Hewitt...I have possession of this
petition...The
> > roadblock on the arroyo is simply there
because a bridge
> > was never installed and it was too steep and
deep to allow
> > a ford...I am not aware of any agenda,
petition or
> > initiative to block the Barstow arroyo
bridge...I
> > understand that city planners allocated
funds in 07 or 08
> > to design the bridge and that a possible
installation will
> > occur sometime in 09 or 10 if funded by the
city. Nor
> > Este residents signed the near unanimous
petition to close
> > Betty Sabo UNTIL the bridge is built,
because the arroyo
> > roadblock was funneling all Barstow traffic
through our
> > neighborhood...According to the petition,
the Betty Sabo
> > roadblock will be removed when the Barstow
arroyo bridge
> > is built...Personally, I look forward to
that day...
> > //signed//
> > Stu Maxon, Contractor
> > HQ AFOTEC / A3Z
> > (505) 846-9928 / (DSN) 246-9928
> >
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